Do u believe that Jesus died on the cross many years ago ? 📖 📖 📖

@Zonuss Thank you. Just in here or you giving something for real?

🤣@Zonuss @Zonuss

@walabby Sir, Luke the Evangelist testified about Paul. We have a lot of documentation in the church to prove Christianity was practiced before Paul started preaching. In fact, Paul was a persecutor of Christians before he encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus (or so he claimed). It's absurd to say Paul created Christianity. Peter's body is buried under the Vatican Basilica. James traveled to Spain to preach and his body is buried there. Thomas went all the way to India. Paul didn't create the 12 disciples, they were actual people. I had no idea about the magnitude of evidence until I started to study the history of the early church.

@walabby It started long before [b]Paul. [/b]

@Zonuss It STARTED before Paul, but Paul turned it into the religion that we know today.

@Diotrephes What else? Oh, I did forget about Jesus in Mark 10:19

You know the commandments: "Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother"

@Justice4All [quote]What else? Oh, I did forget about Jesus in Mark 10:19

You know the commandments: "Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother"
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The Jesus character broke all of those.

@Tastyfrzz Passover is the day Jesus was executed.. Passover Day... And that happened on the 3rd of April in the year 30 CE.. I have no idea why you are bringing up easter.. I don't really care about Easter.. Bunnies and chocolate eggs are not part of the Passover..

@Adstar Just saying that that is how it's defined here. We don't care about Passover.

@Tastyfrzz Well this thread was not about Easter.. If you want to talk about Easter then start your own thread on the topic.. You have only wasted your own time and my time on this thread..

@JustNik the big deal is [i]why[/i] we know he existed. Far too many eye witnesses were tortured to death for something they all made up

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP yes, youre right there!

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP What eye witnesses? The only christians executed were rabble rousers stiring up trouble decades after Jesus is claimed to have lived. The might have sincerely believed the BS fed to them but they certainly weren't eye witnesses.

@ShadowSister There may well have been a wandering nutcase who claimed to be God,who claimed to walk on water and who claimed to be able to raise the dead...however the god/man Jesus and all the things the Bible says he did...are fictitious.

@Entwistle Very few scholars believe that Jesus of Nazareth actually claimed to be a god. I would say a "wandering iterant preacher." He was almost certainly crucified in Jerusalem. And then legends grew up around him later. Yes, this is exactly the consensus position. Nothing extraordinary about it.

@ShadowSister Good.

@Tastyfrzz The North European tribes used to celebrate the arrival of Spring... a time of renewal and fertility. The festival was named after the goddess of fertility... Esther (The word oestrogen comes from that).
Early christians corrupted that festival into a symbol of renewal centred on their own cult leader, but the symbols of fertility (rabbits, eggs, etc.) have remained.
The pushing of chocolate and gaudy decorations are simply artefacts of clever marketing over the last century.

@Tastyfrzz

@newjaninev2 imagine how short people were back then. A chocolate rabbit the size of our hand would be a giant chocolate rabbit to them xD

@NortiusMaximus Oh I did tell you how the papyrus was dated "As for the writings, paleography and archeology as well as early historian documents such as Tacitus". You're also getting confused with me explaining to you that wanting more evidence than writings, for Jesus, when Pilate was more famous of the time, only has carvings, coins and some historic references to his name - is ridiculous. You did not ask for "irrefutable proof" nor did I say I had it. Nor did I state the evidence I had was irrefutable proof. But I did say to you that it is evidence. Finally you're confused about my sarcastic request of you for a census. Keep up man.

@saintsong amen!!!

@saintsong You sold your soul ? 🤔

@Zonuss Yes, I was 19 and dabbled in spiritism and became schizophrenic, when Jesus saved me from the pits of hell...He turned my darkness into light! He saved my soul, when most schizophrenics get worse over the years...In Him I got better because He delivered me from the darkness. I still have a battle over my soul, but it is well with my soul all because of His saving grace. My battle now is outwardly, other schizophrenics who wish to harm me.

@Diotrephes Since he admitted his health declining I doubt he'd be successful. I think when he says he benefits it's mostly a mental high made up in his mind at the thought of suffering like Jesus did with the intention that Jesus sees what he does.

Crucification continually would have the body constantly inflamed due to the trauma inflicted on it, his health wouldn't be in decline if he had decided not to do it.

@SatanBurger This was his 35th time.

@Sharon he’s not the messiah, he’s a naughty boy ! 😂

@Sharon Praise Brian!

@SatanBurger "Romanes eunt domus"

@BritishFailedAesthetic [quote]These six oil lamps were discovered in a Nazareth tomb, and have been used in the scholarly literature as proof of a village at Nazareth in Hellenistic times, as early as the third century BCE. In fact, the six lamps date from the Middle Roman to the Late Roman periods, long after the time of Christ. Gross misdatings of the primary evidence, sometimes involving discrepancies of up to 500 years, are frequently encountered in the Nazareth literature.

The compromised archaeology of Nazareth
The Myth of Nazareth shows that the village came into existence not earlier than 70 CE (the climax of the First Jewish War), and most likely in early II CE—the same era in which the canonical gospels were being edited. Furthermore, this study shows that there was a long hiatus in settlement in the Nazareth basin between the Late Iron Age (c. 700 BCE) and Middle Roman times (c. 100 CE). Finally, it is probable that the extensive remains in the Nazareth basin from the Bronze and Iron Ages are in fact to be identified with biblical Japhia. These conclusions are based on a unanimity of the material evidence from multiple excavations in the Nazareth basin. Whether we are speaking of “Herodian” oil lamps (which constitute the earliest Roman evidence), glass, metal, or stone objects, inscriptions, coins, “kokh” tombs with or without rolling stones, wall foundations, or agricultural installations—all of these point to a Jewish settlement beginning in early II CE and thriving in Late Roman and Byzantine times. Extra-archaeological data confirm this conclusion.[/quote]


[b]www.nazarethmyth.info[/b]


[quote]Most scholars summarily dismiss the “invention” of Nazareth on the grounds that the town is frequently mentioned in the Christian gospels. Unwittingly, archaeology is thus held hostage to literary considerations. The textual case for Nazareth in the gospels is much weaker, however, than is generally supposed. The settlement is named only once in the Gospel of Mark, at 1:9 (other instances in the Greek text read “Jesus the Nazarene”). The passage as it stands demonstrably conflicts with the remainder of the gospel, which locates Jesus’ home in Capernaum. Thus, it can be shown that the Gospel of Mark contains the later interpolation of a single word, “Nazaret” at 1:9.

Furthermore, the literary genesis of Nazareth occurs in one of the most problematic passages of Christian scripture, Mt 2:23: And he went and dwelt in a city called Nazaret, that what was spoken by the prophets might be fulfilled, “He shall be called a Nazoraean.” No such prophetic utterance has been identified in the Jewish scriptures. For its part, the Gospel of Luke is equally problematic. The enigmatic scene in the Nazareth synagogue (Lk 4:16-30) has been shown to be an elaborate reworking of prior materials. Furthermore, the third evangelist demonstrates a strident anti-Capernaum stance, one which impels him to divorce Jesus as much as possible from Capernaum roots.[/quote]

@SatanBurger These christian apologists think it's the job of Atheists to find evidence to support christians' claims.

@Sharon I believe people have confirmation bias, like those lamps that were incorrectly dated. They want to believe in it so bad that anything will suffice even if it's far reaching. It's funny cos I'm not even trying to be offensive but I can't lie when someone asks me if Jesus existed and the evidence is a little scant so I say probably not.

@Zonuss Lack of evidence means science cannot be conducted. So that make the claims superstition.

@BlueSkyKing Lack of evidence means nothing if you cannot discover or explain what is missing. Some things cannot be measured or explained by a mortal or carnal mind. You have not seen anything that's why you cannot conceive it mentally.

@Zonuss Bottom line is the religious agenda. I like living in an evidence based world.

@Zonuss Of course. People lie all the time and invent stories all the time. And this particular book is not in the least scientifically accurate.

@EarthlingWise Of course it is. Just look at what Putin just exposed to US. And that's the beginning. And again there are tombs of people from Bible. There is no reason to just make up all of those stories for nothing.

@Zonuss we are talking about this bible/jesus bs stay on topic my friend…not EVERYTHING just a vast majority like 95% of this Jesus…Moses…Noah and the ark…you know those BS stories

@jshm2 If you read the account, which John wrote "Jesus breathed his last". Can people live without breathing? Jesus definitely died on the cross according to the Bible. And if you're saying the Bible doesn't say that, you're not comprehending.

@jshm2 This is the same argument about what Jesus ate for breakfast on the day of the last supper. It wasn't written about. That does not mean other things didn't happen that weren't written about. What time did they fee untill? How far did they flee? More crucially, did they come back and when!?

@Zonuss Pffft yeah, why not make it 10? 🤭

@BritishFailedAesthetic Let's avoid the truth shall we. Yes it was about [b]2000[/b] years ago. But the Creation started about [b]5000.[/b] Keep in mind that we are living in a world that has existed after the [b]flood.[/b] It was a completely different place afterwards. See [b]Genesis chapter 6.[/b]

@Zonuss I'm an old earth creationist.

@Zonuss [quote]We do not know when the Earth will end. What we do know is that there are tombs and burial grounds of the real Israelites along with.artifacts left behind. Not to mention the Tomb of Jesus. And the Tomb of King Solomon.
So there is proof these beings existed. And the Vatican knows everything about this story too. ☺️[/quote]

It's good to have artifacts on hand to sell fairytales. But it would be impressive if the Jesus character was still wiggling on the cross. After all, it would be just a couple days in God time.

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@Diotrephes Yeah you sound like someone who doesn't know a lot about anything. But then again I am not surprised. 😂

@Zonuss [quote]Yeah you sound like someone who doesn't know a lot about anything. But then again I am not surprised. 😂[/quote]

Well, if I'm ignorant maybe you can educate me.

@FreeLilly “Does he still write?” “Oh, no, he has health problems.”

@BittersweetPotato Whaaat, you don't believe in hearsay? 😯

@EarthlingWise I am a kafir potato 🥔🥴

@calicuz I believe many people [b]will[/b] believe in the existence of [b]God[/b] once they see whats coming in [b]2024[/b] and especially in [b]2025.[/b] ☺️

@Zonuss and what is that?

@Zonuss

I do believe in God, and I'm anticipating something big as well. 🙂

@Zonuss If they were dead, they could not be resuscitated.

@Adeptlinguist My father was a doctor and my son is a doctor. Dead is dead.

@Adeptlinguist Certainly not after lying in a cave for three days, blood pouring out of him....

@Zonuss Many works of fiction sometimes refer to real people and places. The Harry Potter books, for example, mention London and King's Cross station. That doesn't make the whole story true.

@NortiusMaximus This isn't [b]Harry Potter [/b]. Those people actually existed. There's a lot you have not seen a out this world that shall be revealed soon. The question is are you able to handle it when it does come to light. ☺️

@Zonuss

@NortiusMaximus is correct. London and King's Cross station actually exist, I know that because I've been there. If the fact that a few people mentioned in the babble existed is proof that the whole babble is true then, by the same argument, the Harry Potter strories must also be true.

@th3r0n Explain.

@Zonuss no modern holidays are actually about Jesus

Christmas comes from Mithras, Easter from celebration of Ishtar / Oestre

They are primarily Babylonian

The original celebration with the eggs being dyed was in the blood of children

The Bible is true, but none of the older translations use the word Easter ever

@FreeLilly He was resurrected though. The Easter Bunny lives - He brought me Easter Eggs this morning!

@TheOrionbeltseeker so am I 😂

@Julien We do know the [b]Most High[/b] definitely have been speaking to people such as [b]Moses,[/b] and [b]Joshua[/b] since the beginning of time.

@Zonuss but 5000 years ago the crucifixion
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@Quimliqer Because 🤔

@Wiseacre It's true, very true.

@Wiseacre Well what [b] Putin [/b] just exposed about this story ....just means that it is. He wasn't lying. He just told us what we already knew deep inside. And that's only part of what is being hidden from us. You ain't seen nothing yet. ☺️

@Zonuss who cares about this mass killer?

@Zonuss My friend, I shall respect your beliefs. I did not come into your post to cause such a debate. I do, however, wish you a happy Easter!

@TheLordOfHell [quote]Haha I had a dream about zombies last night[/quote]
The Bible has lots of stories about zombies. 1 Corinthians chapter 15 explains how Christanity is based upon the belief in zombies (or liches). Everytime you watch a zombie movie you are really watching a religious movie based upon the biblical stories. After all, they do have what appears to be eternal life, which is what Christians want.

@Diotrephes Someone always be wanting something from me. Hmph.

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP No it's actually part of the [b]West African[/b] timeline. And the artifacts from the [b] Catholic Church.[/b] I seriously doubt you think this earth is millions of years old. You're not that slow.☺️

@Zonuss I... I guess it depends on your definition of "year". I define it as the time it takes for the Earth to perform one rev around the sun. I don't think the Earth has revved that much since Jesus walked it, and that should be the same whether you're in West Africa or West Virginia.

@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP I believe the [b] Catholic Church [/b] knows the actual story. One that may silence all critics once it gets out. Watch and see. ☺️